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  WTBTS and the CCJW ?

  by Crazyguy in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  apparently they made this new corporation called the christian congregation of jehovah’s witnesses in the year 2001. this is the religious side of the cult and wtbts is the printing side and probably the money side.

  since the gb think they are of the ccjw and have even stated their non affiliation with the wt is their a way that jws can use this to their advantage, maybe during a jc etc.?

  i for example was baptized before 2000 so with the new corporation formed and the gb going to that side what could be argued during a jc?

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  John Davis

  I got the information during the oral arguments of the Padron case. Also a federal court case in Louisiana where they did indicate that CCJW is a US Corporation that handles the legal affairs of the US Service Department.

  It is also when at conventions or assemblies when they make the announcement that because funds for these events are handled by the local branch office please make checks payable to Christian Congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses.

  In Britain, there is no corporation that is called Christian Congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses. There are two main corporations. Watchtower of Britain and the International Bible Students Association.

  IBSA mission is stated as: Promoting the Christian religion by helping congregations of Jehovah's Witnesses & others with their spiritual & material welfare. We provide facilities for printing Bible literature & housing for members of our order of special full-time servants. We distribute religious literature freely to all who will read it. Conventions for Christian education are arranged & the public are invited.

  Watchtower of Britian mission is stated as: 1. PRINTING AND DISTRIBUTING BIBLES AND BIBLE-BASED LITERATURE IN SEVERAL LANGUAGES. 2. FUNDING THE CONSTRUCTION OF PLACES OF WORSHIP IN VARIOUS COUNTRIES. 3. SUPPORTING CONGREGATIONS AND ASSOCIATIONS OF JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES AND OTHERS IN CONNECTION WITH THEIR SPIRITUAL AND MATERIAL WELFARE IN THE UNITED KINGDOM AND ABROAD, BY MAKING DONATIONS AND ADVANCING THE CHRISTIAN MISSIONARY WORK.

  So my mistake it seems like the service department in Britain would actually probably fall under the corporation of the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of Britain.
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  WTBTS and the CCJW ?

  by Crazyguy in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  apparently they made this new corporation called the christian congregation of jehovah’s witnesses in the year 2001. this is the religious side of the cult and wtbts is the printing side and probably the money side.

  since the gb think they are of the ccjw and have even stated their non affiliation with the wt is their a way that jws can use this to their advantage, maybe during a jc etc.?

  i for example was baptized before 2000 so with the new corporation formed and the gb going to that side what could be argued during a jc?

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  John Davis

  CCJW is used only in the US. CCJW is used by the US Branch service department as their corporate portion. In other countries, it would be a different corporation, such as in Britain it is the International Bible Student's Association.

  In the US there are 8 main corporations used by the US Branch Committee or Watchtower for different functions. They are Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of Pennsylvania, New York, New Jersey and Florida, Religious Order of Special Full Time Servants of Jehovah's Witnesses, Kingdom Support Services, CCJW. Then there is one for the cemetery at Walhkill and one for the LDC program in the US.

  Corporations are set up because in order for an organization to get a bank account, own real property or do pretty much anything else a corporation has to be set up. It is solely a legal entity.

  And btw no governing body member is an officer, agent or employee of any corporation.
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  why won't legal department simply release all the secret pedophile files?

  by poopie in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  what do you think there hiding?.

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  John Davis

  You also have to remember Watchtower is not under any legal obligation to keep any records on these issues at all. If they went into court with no documents because they never compiled any documents that isn't illegal.
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  why won't legal department simply release all the secret pedophile files?

  by poopie in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  what do you think there hiding?.

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  John Davis

  We will see after Watchtower exhausted the appeals if they will turn it over or not. It is condemning them before the case has re-entered the superior court. The case won't re-enter the superior court for 30 days from the time the appeals court decision was issued.

  And no a court of law is not the general public. But people on here want it to be released to the general public and some have even condoned the threat that the group anonymous made to break the law and steal the list and release it not to a court of law or law enforcement but to the general public.
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  why won't legal department simply release all the secret pedophile files?

  by poopie in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  what do you think there hiding?.

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  John Davis

  The question is what right does the public have to these names? They don't have any right. They supplied the information to the goverment of Australia because they have a right. But the general public does not have a right to names.
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  How much in total do you think the W.T.S has payed out in child abuse cases??

  by karter in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  they have settled a lot out of court with gagging orders both ways so we will never know how much was payed out there.but some have been made public.

  any ideas how much in total?.

  karter

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  John Davis

  Also some of these cases occurred while the US Branch had insurance so insurance is also going to pay out some of it.
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  How much in total do you think the W.T.S has payed out in child abuse cases??

  by karter in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  they have settled a lot out of court with gagging orders both ways so we will never know how much was payed out there.but some have been made public.

  any ideas how much in total?.

  karter

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  John Davis

  Candace Conti was cut to a little over 2 million not the 21. The Lopez 13 million was reversed by the appeals court.

  Also, the large case in Texas was actually dismissed due to the statute of limitations. The cases in Louisana and Vermont were dismissed due to failure to state a claim.
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  Jehovah's Witnesses face legal / Financial Penalties in Court. NBC San Diego

  by ToesUp in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  nbc news san diego news video.

  jehovah's witnesses face legal / financial penalties in court.. san diego nbc news video.

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  John Davis

  Well, Mr Zalkin's contention is that the penalty has been accumulating this whole time. Though when the case went on appeal the superior court case was put on hold till the appeal was completed. The case went onto appeal when the fine was about 64,000. Mr Zalkin will probably attempt to get the full 2 million but that will have to be up to the superior court.
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  Watchtower Loses an Appeal

  by TerryWalstrom in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  publication court of appeal, fourth appellate district division one state of california osbaldo padron, plaintiff and respondent, v. watchtower bible and tract society of new york, inc., defendant and appellant.findingwatchtower has abused the discovery process.

  it has zealously advocated its position and lost multiple times.

  yet, it cavalierly refuses to acknowledge the consequences of these losses and the validity of the court's orders requiring it to produce documents in response to request number 12. and, in a further act of defiance, watchtower informed the court that it would not comply with the march 25, 2016 order 39 requiring it to produce documents responsive to request number 12. the court, following lopez, supra, 246 cal.app.4th 566, as an incremental step toward terminating sanctions if watchtower persists in its unjustified conduct, imposed monetary sanctions.

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  John Davis

  All Mr Zalkin said that he would use the information for was for statistical analyst mostly for a penalty phase if it gets there.
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  Watchtower Loses an Appeal

  by TerryWalstrom in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  publication court of appeal, fourth appellate district division one state of california osbaldo padron, plaintiff and respondent, v. watchtower bible and tract society of new york, inc., defendant and appellant.findingwatchtower has abused the discovery process.

  it has zealously advocated its position and lost multiple times.

  yet, it cavalierly refuses to acknowledge the consequences of these losses and the validity of the court's orders requiring it to produce documents in response to request number 12. and, in a further act of defiance, watchtower informed the court that it would not comply with the march 25, 2016 order 39 requiring it to produce documents responsive to request number 12. the court, following lopez, supra, 246 cal.app.4th 566, as an incremental step toward terminating sanctions if watchtower persists in its unjustified conduct, imposed monetary sanctions.

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  John Davis

  And once the litigation is done with Mr Zalkin must turn the files back over and destroy and copies. He cannot use those files in any other case unless of course, the court in a different case grants a motion for the documents.